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Entrevista con Marc y Jess - Beshibari ***
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Christie
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| Your
make succesfull Shibari workshop in all the world. For
example, in Delhi (India). Tell me about this experience.
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Marc
y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| The
people in New Delhi were very excited about learning shibari.
It was the first time ever that a bondage workshop was
held on Indian soil, so we are just as honoured to teach
them as they were to have us over : The group was made
up of fast learners, so we'll expect them to have made
some progress when we return later this year! |
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in Athens last summer people were very eager to learn.
We want people to feel at ease and trust the rope so that
they will all participate. Our goal for beginners is that
they learn to be creative while having a lot of fun. We
stress a lot on safety too. |
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Christie
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| Tell
me about your workshops. How many workshops you do in
a year?. |
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Marc
y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| This
differs according to the demand. Up till fall 2010 we
hosted monthly "RopeZensations" bondage meetings in which
there always was a teaching moment, but we have put these
meetings on hold for the moment, to explore a more artistic
approach to shibari. The number of (private) workshops
is now around 5-6 a year. |
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Christie
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| When
did you start your website?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| In
october 2008, Marc built it from scratch without any former
webbuilding knowledge. We invested a lot of time in it
but we must say we are pleased with the result :) . |
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| How
did you get the idea of workshops and performance?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| As
a real bondage addict, Marc was always looking for ways
to bring people together for practice, exchange and inspiration.
Sometimes just for fun, sometimes for teaching or learning.
We were first asked to perform in the local scene, but
this quickly expanded to performing nationally and then
to events all over Europe. |
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| Your
make also events and bondage lessons. Do you organize
many events? How many events you celebrate in a year?.
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| We
used to host 10 RopeZensations meeting in a year, plus
one or two more elaborate bondage weekends, combined with
photoshoots for those present. Now we have put RopeZensations
on hold for a while and we focus on organising high-level
workshop with advanced riggers in an international setting.
We strive to host 2 or 3 major events ourselves. Next
to that, we collaborate with others to bring shibari to
their event, for instance on the first International BDSM
& Fetish Fair in Brussels, October 2010, or on the Athens
Fetish Ball, September 2010. |
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| Bondage
lessons… workshops… events… Is this a job that really
ties you down? It's necessary a lot of time to work?.
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Yes,
it takes a lot of time and effort. Preparing for a show
or hosting an event takes a lot of time and attention,
but it is not only about tying or being present at an
event. There is also the aspect of marketing and communication
around our shibari work. There is not just ropes, there
is also the website, social networks, and a lot of email
traffic and photoprocessing. And of course you want to
keep up with what others are doing, so we spend a lot
of time behind the computer as well. |
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| What
is "Ropezensations Bondage Night"?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| A
gathering of bondage minded people, where everyone can
freely experiment and exchange shibari or bondage knowledge
in a private and cosy atmosphere. So far iIt was open
for all levels. The next generation of ropezensations
events will be limited in numbers and more oriented towards
experienced and artistic minded riggers and models. |
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| How
many people work in Beshibari?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Basically
there are two people in BeShibari. There is rigger Marc,
who started BeShibari. He also takes care of most of the
publicity and usually creates our events. Then there is
jesss, who is Marc's regular model and life partner. She
takes care of the practical side of event organising.
We regularly work with model tatii, who is a close friend
and is usually there to lend a hand when we do an event. |
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| How
was it difficult to start with your projects?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| For
us it was not so difficult. We are very privileged to
live in Antwerp, Belgium, which has Fetish Café, a place
for kinky and bdsm-minded people. Marc practiced a lot
of his shibari techniques there and they also offered
him the opportunity of hosting the RopeZensations event.
So actually we started off quite well :) . |
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| What
are your memories, of the first time? Can you explain
some anecdote to us?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
I'm getting too old to recall the first memories ;-) |
| Jesss:
the first time I was in bondage was with Marc, whom I
had incidentally met at a bondage weekend held at the
club of a mutual friend. I did not go there as a bondage
model, I went there to help out with the organisation
of that specific event. Marc and I got to know each other,
found that we had a lot in common and that night Marc
suspended me for the first time. This was fireworks! It
felt so good and so natural to both of us, that we immediately
knew that we wanted to work together - and live together
as well!. |
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| How
would you define bondage?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| The
act of tying up a consenting adult in a position or situation
where he or she relinquishes control to the person tying... |
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| And
how would you define shibari?. |
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| The
technique of Japanese ropebondage. This is different from
other styles of bondage in terms of the materials and
the tying techniques. Shibari riggers mostly use ropes
from natural materials like jute and hemp. They use a
tying technique which is about how to aesthetically, efficiently
and safely immobilising their model/subject/victim without
using 'true' knots. |
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| For
you, what is the difference between shibari and kinbaku?.
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| There
are many different opinions on this, but to Marc Shibari
is about the technique of Japanese ropebondage. Kinbaku
is all about interaction! The connection between the rigger
and the person that is tied up during the act; how the
tying affects them both emotionally. When you progress
from 'just' applying technique to 'two becoming one' ,
reaching into the soul of your model, that is when you
reach the level of kinbaku and also the level of art. |
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| Why
did you decide to dedicate professionally to bondage and
shibari?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| We
realised there was a demand for skilled shibari performers
in the local and European scene. We were asked to perform
and to teach and from there it just took flight. It is
like they say: you are lucky if you can make your hobby
into your work! But we do not make our living with shibari,
we have daytime jobs on the side. |
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| How
can, the people, contract your workshops and lessons?
What is the price for your workshops and lessons?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| People
can contact us on info@beshibari.com or bookings@beshibari.com
for more information on our workshops. Prices depend on
the number of participants, their economical standards
(for instance in India prices differ a lot from Europe)
and travel expenses to give a performance or workshop. |
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| What
advice would you give to those who want to learn shibari?.
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| There
is a lot of information available on the internet, but
nothing beats learning the basics with a real teacher.
There is so much that you will not grasp from a virtual
learning environment - it really helps a lot to improve
your skills and your sense of safety and responsibility
practicing a few times with someone who is already experienced. |
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advice for riggers: never ignore a warning sign from your
model. Shibari is potentially dangerous and the model's
safety is literally in your hands. |
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advice for models: don't try to be tough when you are
in the ropes. Shibari may hurt, but you will definitely
feel the difference between a 'good' pain and a 'bad'
pain. If you feel 'bad' pain, ask the rigger to adjust
the ropes or to untie you, so you will not be injured. |
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furtermore: it is very okay to have fun while tying! Shibari
is usually regarded with a very serious attitude, tying
can also be a lot of fun! |
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live in Belgium. Are there many people who love bondage
in Belgium?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| There
are many people practicing bondage here in Belgium. Many
have been practising at the ropezensations Nights and
at local bdsm parties. We are glad to notice that over
the last two years, a younger generation of riggers and
models has taken shape. |
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| Do
you have a favorite position, of bondage?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
No, I mostly do as I feel, let the ropes and the moment
decide what happens. |
| Jesss:
it depends on my mood and my physical fitness. Sometimes
I like to hang sideways, sometimes I like to be stretched
to my limits. For me it is about stamina: how long can
I be in a tie, how much does it hurt, can I get out on
my own… I like to be challenged a lot and I like it when
Marc changes positions a lot during one session, so that
I will constantly be surprised by him and the ropes : |
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has been your funniest situation you've lived in bondage?.
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Jesss:
it was not so funny, but it was very awkward: when our
shibari scene for the movie "SM Rechter" (S&M Judge) was
shot, it was very close to lunchtime. So when the director
yelled "cut!" everybody dropped what they were doing and
ran out of the shooting room, while I was still hanging
in a very difficult backward suspension, with candles
dripping wax on me. So me and Marc were calling out for
them to come back and help me down. Eventually the director
noticed us and helped us get my feet back on the ground,
while the rest of his crew had ran off to lunch!. |
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| Which
is the strangest question that they have asked you, about
bondage?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
"Does it turn you on?". |
| Jesss:
"Do you people do BDSM as well?" Somehow, many people
disconnect bondage entirely from the BDSM-gamma (the B
in BDSM is for Bondage). If you do "just" ropes, you are
considered a sissy, since there is no whipping, no caning
or horrible other torments involved. Many people do not
realize that bondage and especially shibari in itself
is an act of BDSM, in which all the aspects are involved:
bondage, domination and submission, taking and giving
away control, inflicting and taking pain, et cetera. I
know many people able to take a serious beating in a BDSM-setting,
who cannot stand being tied up the way Marc ties me up.
Somehow it is different, but also all the same. |
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| What
do you consider essential in bondage?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Trust
in each other, sense and sensibility. The rigger should
inspire trust in his model and should make his model feel
safe, although he is going to push her to her limits.
The model should feel able to surrender to the rigger
and the ropes knowing that it may be tough, but she will
feel wonderful at the end. |
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what would you say always "not" in bondage?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Alcohol
and drugs. They make bad company in bondage or any other
kinky play. |
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| Have
you had a bad experience?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
Copycats & uncreative people are a bad experience in themselves… |
| Jesss:
I was in suspension once in a club situated in a barn.
The suspension point was a big hook screwed into a beam
that held the roof. Suddenly somebody who was looking
at our performance came up to us and said "Look at the
suspension point, it is unscrewing" and when we looked
up, both our hearts missed a few beats, for the screw
had already halfway come out of the beam! That was when
we decided to abort our show, get dressed, go home and
never visit that particular club for bondage again. |
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| What
is your best virtue?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
Intuition combined with a kinky mind!. |
| Jesss:
in bondage it would be patience. In the rest of my life
it would be compliance. |
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| What
is your best weakness?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
Perfectionism… not knowing when to quit. |
| Jesss:
I tend to analyse everything and sometimes I analyse a
beautiful moment to death. |
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| What
are your hobbies?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
eastern spirituality, ecology and organic food. |
| Jesss:
apart from shibari I practice Bollywood dancing, I like
gardening and solving puzzles of all sorts. |
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| How
do you define yourself as a person?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc
in the words of jesss: Marc is creative, intuitive and
a very fast thinker. This usually gets him many steps
ahead of others. |
| Jesss:
I am a compliant and loyal person. I am usually very honest
in my opinions and I have a tendency to blurt out everything
that I think. This makes me charmingly spontaneous, but
sometimes I can also be embarassingly blunt!. |
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| What
do you value in a person?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
honesty and straightforwardness. |
| Jesss:
if a person has the wisdom to see when to be honest with
somebody and when to just be sweet. |
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| Do
you have a secret you can't confess?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
Yes. |
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No. |
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any secret that it can confess?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Jesss:
then it would not be a secret anymore, would it? I don't
have secrets, not anymore. |
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| What
still surprises you?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
life itself everyday. |
| Jesss:
ignorance and rudeness. These things never cease to leave
me baffled!. |
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| What
would you consider a place to live, a book to read, and
a dish to eat?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| Marc:
Lanzarote ! we call it the island wich shall not be named,
cause it touches us alone by talking about it. Any book
on eastern spirituality. An organic veggie dish prepared
with much love. |
| Jesss:
I would live on the island Lanzarote, in a place where
I can see the see. I would read "The Divine Romance" by
Yogananda and my favourite food is everything Indian-vegetarian. |
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| What
is your website?. |
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y Jess ............ Beshibari |
| http://www.beshibari.com |
| Facebook
ID: ropezensations beshibari |
| Fetlife
ID: BeShibari |
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